The Committee met with the Department of Mineral Resources (DMR) to be briefed on the Mineral and Petroleum Resources Amendment (MPRDA) Bill following the Bill being sent back to Parliament by the President owing to reservations. The Bill had already been passed by the National Assembly and was now with the NCOP. The Department briefed the Committee on the Bill in terms of its strategic objectives and objectives of the amendments made. The presentation then covered a host of proposed amendments in relation to:
Additional proposals were also highlighted on the Oceans Phakisa and technical errors.
The Committee sought clarity on eradicating the “first come, first served” system in terms of the issuing of licences, mechanisms to ensure or determine when there was sufficient consultation conducted especially in areas where there was conflict, how the inclusion of traditional leaders would impact consultation and how the Department was dealing with capital investments under BEE – there were questions on how the Department would balance promoting black development and empowerment with investment to ensure there was no exploitation. Discussion was also held on what informed the 10% BEE shareholding, the impact of social and labour plans and the Mining Charter on existing mining rights and companies, how the development of a petroleum charter would impact the amendment of the MPRDA and how provisions on beneficiation held up against the General Agreement on Trade and Tariffs especially in terms of exporting of minerals.
The Committee supported the ideals of beneficiation and transformation but were concerned about the lack of support and access to markets of those people benefiting to ensure there was true empowerment and development – these challenges were seen in other industries, like agriculture and land reform, with people having to sell land back to the initial owners. Other questions were raised around the inclusion of off-shore petroleum, how Operation Phakisa would work in terms of the state carried interest and the inclusion of all previously disadvantaged individuals. Particular concerns were raised around how pending court cases on the Mining Charter would affect the processing and amending of the Bill, if the system of the Minister granting mining licences would open the system up to possible patronage and trade-offs and how communities could raise concerns around certain licences being issued without facing great costs or use of resources to do so.
Opening Remarks
Chairperson Sefako commented this was an important meeting with the Mineral and Petroleum Resources Development Amendment (MPRDA) Bill having attracted members of the public from all walks of life because it affected critical issues of humanity and nature which were interrelated and interconnected.
Remarks by Minister
Mr Mosebenzi Zwane, Minister of Mineral Resources, noted that the MPRDA Bill was passed last week by the National Assembly – this paved the way for final conclusion on the Bill. When he assumed office in September last year, he committed to doing everything in his power to ensure the Department worked with Parliament to process the Bill. The Bill would assist in enriching the necessary policy and regulatory environment required by current and potential investors. The Committee would also recall that the President sent the Bill back to Parliament in order to establish that the issues raised would pass constitutional muster. The President raised two substantive issues and two procedural issues – three of the issues had been complied with by the National Assembly but the fourth issue - sufficient consultation at the NCOP and provincial legislatures - was a matter for the NCOP to deal with.
The MPRDA Bill sought to, amongst others, improve the ease of doing business, address shortfalls identified in several court rulings, improve the regulation of social and labour plans for the development of the mining industry and for consolidation into the Integrated Development Plans, introduce credible state participation in the development of mineral and petroleum resources, an integrated licensing regime for the granting of rights, issuing of water use licenses and approval of environmental authorisations, provide for regulation of associated minerals, provide for the designation of minerals as strategic in supporting local beneficiation and industrialisation and to align the provision for sanctions for non-compliance with the Competition Commission and introduce a deterrent to non-compliance.
The Bill was referred to the NCOP for further processing – the Department of Mineral Resources (DMR) stood ready to assist the House in this regard.
Briefing by Department of Mineral Resources (DMR)
Mr Mosa Mabuza, DDG: Mineral Policy and Promotion, DMR, began by outlining that the Mineral and Petroleum Resources Development Act, 2002, gave effect to the internationally accepted right of the state to exercise sovereignty over all its mineral and petroleum resources, vested custodianship of mineral and petroleum resources with the state and the Act separated surface rights (land ownership) from mineral rights ownership. Large portions of land in SA were still owned and controlled by previously advantaged South Africans and foreigners. In the first decade of promulgation, the Act created an enabling environment for growth and transformation in the mining industry. In 2008 the Act was amended to amongst others, give effect to the “one environmental management system”. Notwithstanding tremendous progress to date on the reform of the mining industry through the MPRDA, the first decade since promulgation of the Act had provided the benefit of jurisprudence on the basis of which inherent weaknesses were being addressed.
Mr Mabuza explained the strategic objectives of the MPRDA included:
Objectives of the Act included:
Proposed amendments to section 9 (application by invitation) included:
Proposed amendments to section 10 and 16 (stakeholder consultation) included:
Mr Mabuza outlined that proposed amendments to section 11 (partitioning and transfer of rights) included:
In terms of ownership:
Mr Mabuza highlighted proposed amendments to secion 23 (Social and Labour Plans (SLPs)) included:
Proposed amendments to section 26 (strengthening of beneficiation) included:
Proposed amendments to sections 1, 17 and 28 (BEE) included:
Proposed amendments to clause 86A (state participation) included:
Mr Mabuza explained proposed amendments to section 99 (sanctions):
In terms of section 107 and 56 (guided ministerial discretionary power):
In terms of the proposed Section 107, the Minister’s discretionary powers were guided in the following manner:
With the streamlining of the inter-departmental process:
Mr Mabuza outlined amendments to sections 39, 40, 41 and 42 (environmental management):
Additional proposals were made on the outcomes of the Ocean Phakisa:
Mr Mabuza outlined that additional proposals included:
Additional proposals on technical errors included:
The proposed amendments and the additional proposals to the MPRDA will:
Discussion
Mr Tony Duba, Chairperson: Eastern Cape Provincial Legislature Committee on Economic Development, Environmental Affairs and Tourism, noted a reference was made to eradicating the “first come, first served” system in section 9 but he was not sure about the correlation between the two. Under sections 10 and 15, how was sufficient consultation measured especially in areas where there was conflict? In terms of section 11, while he thought the intervention with the BEEE was good, he did not understand how the Department would deal with capital investments. For example, many people were given farms on arable land but there was then no capital investment made. This opened the space for those wanting to exploit and use black people –while the provision in the Bill sought to protect black empowerment, how would the DMR allow for investment? Section 26 did not speak to dealing with issues of the environment – he wished the section could take into consideration that the Minister of Environmental Affairs should always be consulted so that environmental activists could not say they were not consulted. With the additional proposal, he asked what informed the 10% BEE shareholding.
Mr Mabuza did not quite understand the question relating to “first come, first served”.
Mr Duba clarified that the presentation used the example of “first come, first served” and he wanted to know how it related to the Bill.
Mr Mabuza explained that he used the example of “first come, first served” in the case of a vacancy at a company where if the notion of first come, first served was used, it would entrench mediocrity if for example the first person that applied had the minimum requirements but was the first to get his/her application for the vacancy through. The better process would be to allow a period of time for applications after which the applications would be adjudicated to select the best candidate for the job. Currently in the Act, the Minister was denied time to find the best applicant to be granted the right because of the first come, first served notion to meet the minimum requirements. The shift in the Bill would be for a period of time for applications and then to allow adjudication to select the best candidate for development.
Mr Duba noted that under section 11, the intention of the Minister was to protect but there was an unintended consequence that could occur where those granted the right might not be able to afford operations. What had the Department done to ensure that Foreign Direct Investment (FDI) was also included in the picture to mitigate unintended consequence in the interest of protection?
Mr Mabuza explained that since the introduction of the MPRDA in 2004, rights were issued on the basis of empowerment at the minimum threshold of 26% but there were also rights that were 100% owned by historically-disadvantaged people, blacks in particular. On application, the Department could see that empowerment was taking place. In reality, black beneficiaries were bought out of the business therefore the gains of industry ownership were completely reversed – if this continued, the industry would go back to the pre-1994 structure of industry ownership. This was why it was important to include the clause in section 11 – the Department did not want 100% ownership to be diluted to zero in the process of raising capital. The clause provided for the Minister to determine the acceptable extent to which the 100% ownership could be diluted in order to balance transformation and capital requirements. Land owners selling land back to previous owners, as was the challenge experienced in land reform, went contrary to the efforts of transformation. The clause provided for the protection of beneficiaries by government so that at least if the owner left, he/she would have to be replaced with another black beneficiary at the consent of the Minister.
Minister Zwane added that if an investor initially agreed with the terms and conditions but then turned around and did not uphold the transformation terms and conditions, the Minister should be informed. The clause tried to encourage genuine investment in the interest of the country and its people. The MPRDA was always a subject of discussion about whether it created certainty for investment – the aim was to create this certainty especially in terms of transformation. Having travelled widely, he could say that investors were ready to come to SA to explore mining rights and beneficiation. The Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) also worked with companies which might need financial assistance to add to the closing of gaps. Any other shortcomings of the legislation would be dealt with. The spirit was to ensure that the mineral resources of SA did not benefit other countries – he used the example of gold found in Lesotho which was sold for R12 million. The company then sold the same gold abroad for R65 million. Globally SA was ranked first for minerals but looking at the turnover, China was ranked first because most of SA’s minerals were exported to China. The Department was looking to bring everyone together to resolve whatever problems might exist but beneficiation was part of the National Development Plan (NDP) which everyone needed to support. DMR alone could not be held responsible for the creation of markets in terms of beneficiation.
Chairperson Prins requested that Members put questions in writing so that the Department could give a detailed response.
Mr Duba was pleased to hear that the Minister was alive to hostility which could come from section 11 – was the Department ready for it?
Mr Mabuza explained that in respect of section 26 and the environment, consultation with the Minister of Environmental Affairs was not necessarily precluded because the proposal spoke to “the relevant Minister”. The Minister of Environmental Affairs was the custodian for environmental matters so it was provided for. The 10% BEE shareholding was informed by the cost for both exploration and development of the petroleum industry where both were prohibitively high, for example, with the drilling of an off-shore well, one was looking at R100 million and one hole did not guarantee that oil would be found. Realistically, since this was a new industry with prohibitively high costs, DMR consulted extensively with various interest groups and 10% was then seen as a reasonable compromise to enable entry. 10% was also the absolute minimum – it could also be that historically disadvantaged people could come in as partners at a higher threshold.
The DMR Director for Empowerment Transactions, added that with the consultation, the Department had undertaken to prescribe the process of meaningful consultation in the regulations. DMR would be involved with facilitation to ensure the people consulted were those who were relevant because there were concerns that sometimes mining companies consulted people not relevant to the operation. After consultation with the applicant, a report needed to be submitted to DMR by the holder to highlight who was consulted, what issues were raised and how the issues were addressed before reaching agreement.
Ms C Labuschagne (DA, Western Cape) wanted clarity on section 10 in terms of the inclusion of traditional leaders and if this inclusion changed anything in terms of the processing and impact of the Bill. What impact would the inclusion of the SLPs and Mining Charter have on the existing mining rights of companies? This was specifically in reference to the point that industry was afraid the Mining Charter had status of law and non-compliance with the Act could result in the withdrawal of mining licences – she felt that this assurance did not match what was stated under additional proposals that “non-compliance with section 100 be included in section 47 so as to empower the Minister to suspend and/or cancel rights should the applicant fail to comply with requirements of the mining charter and the housing and living conditions standards”. She wanted clarity on section 26, in terms of beneficiation, as it currently stood in the Bill – how did the section influence the General Agreement and Trade and Tariffs (GATT) and the trade and development corporation agreements between SA and the rest of the world? It was noted that the person that received the minerals from the right holder did not have the right to export in relation to beneficiation– would the percentage depend on specific minerals and what period/timeframe was envisaged in which minerals would be made available for beneficiation? Many of such matters remained uncertain – it was a problem for these matters to be in the regulations after the Act was in place and the regulations could then not be challenged. While beneficiation was a good idea, the challenge was with the non-availability of markets for people to develop and empower themselves – this was seen in many other industries including agriculture. While there could be beneficiation, there were still questions around funding, creating markets, industry and infrastructure – while a beautiful picture was created on paper, in practice there was no proof that it would work. Did petroleum in the Bill include off-shore petroleum? If not, why not? She then wanted clarity on whether the section covering environmental management would be displaced or how the process would work. How exactly would Operation Phakisa work, under additional proposals, in terms of state carried interest? Part of the proposals was that the Department also develop a petroleum charter – currently the Mining Charter was proposed to be part of the Bill and there was a lot of concern around that so how would the court case on the Mining Charter influence the process of amending the Act? If a petroleum charter was developed, the principle of it would be included in the Act while the charter itself would not be included because the Act would already have been passed by both Houses. Why did the Mining Charter fall within the ambit of the Act while a proposed petroleum charter did not fall within the ambit? How would such a petroleum charter influence the mining sector and would there then be a need to amend the Act again? If additional amendment was envisaged, would the costly exercise have to be repeated? Was there no way the Department could hold back on adopting the Bill until the petroleum charter was developed?
Mr Mabuza outlined with the SLPs, there might be some misunderstanding of the fear of suspension of the right on the basis of non-compliance – both the SLPs and Mining Charter were requirements in terms of the law and non-compliance of the law was dealt with in terms of the relevant sections and provisions on sanctions. However, DMR was proposing an explicit stating in the Bill of non-compliance, particularly with transformation (which included the SLPs and Mining Charter), to assist in a common understanding of the intent. In terms of the influence of section 26 on GATT, he would provide the Member with a specific provision in the GATT that allowed for countries to take extraordinary measures, including restriction, on the basis that such restrictions had a particular timeframe. This provision in the GATT enabled enough member countries to take those extraordinary measures. In essence section 26 outlined that all producers of designated minerals must offer to local beneficiation a prescribed percentage of its production of minerals or mineral products in prescribed quantities, qualities and timeframes. This provision was not inconsistent with GATT provisions.
In terms of section 26 (2), the Minister must, in consultation with the relevant department, designate the mineral. After taking into consideration the national development imperatives and considering the advice of the council, as contemplated in section 56 (b), publish such conditions required to ensure security of supply. All minerals were treated differently which was where the consultation played a role for the determination. The issue of markets was a very important one – the Minister was clear on engaging with countries and looking at partnerships that required input minerals and then the market for them. The aim was not to isolate SA but to create partnerships for effective value chain integration –this integration would give rise to security of the market for those participating in the space of beneficiation. With Operation Phakisa, DMR went into a protracted process of engagement with petroleum stakeholders as a resolution of Phakisa because the stakeholders raised quite a number of critical hindrances in terms of making investment in terms of the Bill. The Department had since unpacked every area of hindrance and there was negotiation at length with the stakeholders to achieve developmental objectives and balance it with business interests. One of the objects of the Bill was to balance national imperatives with business interest. This was in the context of both on-shore and off-shore stakeholders – negotiation had results in, what was termed, a uniquely South African win-win solution, and stakeholders had since expressed readiness to roll-out massive investments as soon as the Bill was processed.
With the mining and petroleum charter, there was a specific matter before court which dealt with the interpretation of the empowerment element in the Mining Charter. The Mining Charter was provided for in the Bill – the modalities thereof were contained in the Mining Charter itself so one would not necessarily have to amend. There was currently not an explicit provision for the upstream petroleum charter – the proposal was to provide for the development of that charter within 12 months of the Bill being assented to. Some aspects of the upstream petroleum charter were discussed in the Phakisa process including the 10% referred earlier.
The DMR Director for Empowerment Transactions explained that with the environmental issues, in terms of the 2008 and 2010 agreement, both Ministers of Mineral Resources and Environmental Affairs agreed on the need for one environmental management system – the sections highlighted as relating to environmental issues had since moved from the MPRDA to NEMA. With stockpiles, the MPRDA provided for a system to address historical stockpiles. There would be an opportunity for holders to amend their rights and incorporate the stockpiles in the area in which they operated – for the stockpiles with no holder, they would be available for application by third parties.
Chairperson Prins expressed concern about the lack of markets – without belabouring the point, she understood that it was difficult with many people having to sell land back to the previous owners due to financial difficulties and the mining aspect. Monopolies would take place – what would happen to people after they were given rights? Would markets be created to allow people to export? Perhaps the Committee required greater explanation to understand the issues but she was concerned that challenges in other industries, such as agriculture and land reform, would be repeated in the mineral industry.
Mr Mabuza outlined that transformation by its nature was very challenging –historically, government and business viewed transformation and business development as mutually exclusive but the aim was to emphasise that both transformation and growth could be mutually inclusive. Given that mining was a long term business, in the context of SA, one could not have a growing industry that was not transformed – it would not be sustainable. Equally, government could not transform a dying industry so both government and business came to a mutual understanding that the symbiotic relationship between growth and transformation went hand in hand – the importance of this could not be emphasised enough.
Mr C Smit (DA, Limpopo) questioned the issuing of licences with the Minister having the power to determine who would get the licence – while the ideal scenario might be to pick the perfect candidate, the reality in SA was that the system could be used for patronage. How would assurance be given that the system would not be used to favour individuals or being used to get some form of trade-off? What system would be used to determine the best person/company to get the licence? In terms of change of ownership, he did not understand why ministerial consideration was needed for transfer from one black owner to another as it did not change the status quo. Why could the Bill not state that ministerial consideration was only needed if there was a change in the equity in terms of diversity of ownership? There was a move away from ensuring all previously disadvantaged individuals were benefiting to a more narrow black ownership while all other previously disadvantaged individuals seemed to be excluded. How would the Department ensure gender, people with disabilities etc were represented? To focus narrowly on black ownership did not address the whole scenario of previously disadvantaged individuals. With regard to communities objecting to licences being issued in a certain area, he noted that ordinary South Africans did not always have the resources to oppose powerful industries. One of the proposals was to look at the American model where the state ensured there was a fund available for ordinary citizens to compete fairly in terms of the issuing of licences. He did not see how the Act attended to ordinary South Africans opposing issuing of licences.
Minister Zwane responded that Ministers took oaths upon assuming office – he did not think the question by the Member was suggesting that Ministers could not act fairly to give licences in terms of the law. The issuing of rights started from the regions in terms of assessing whether the applicant met the requirements – the role of the Minister was to check if all requirements were complied with and if issues arised they were dealt with. If the ownership was transferred from one black owner to another, requirements must be complied with as would be the case with any other transfer.
Mr Mabuza added that with transfer of ownership from one black owner to another, experience was that things were not always as they seemed. The amended Companies Act criminalised fronting because it was a reality in the economic activity in the context of transformation. The MPRDA thus supported the notion of “dealing a blow” to fronting. With previously disadvantaged South Africans, the Constitution defined black persons as Africans, coloureds and Indians so black in the context of the Bill did not refer to black Africans exclusively but included the other categories of historically disadvantaged South Africans. This also included white women but the experience was that there was an exclusive employment of white women to the detriment of the true and real beneficiaries of transformation – while white women were partly disadvantaged, they were also partly advantaged by association. Also because of the nature of the industry and what experience had taught, although industry was at first given the benefit of the doubt, the Department had no choice but to strengthen the provisions for transformation otherwise challenges visible in the areas where mining took place would remain. Currently for communities to raise concerns, Regional Mining Development and Environment Committees were developed so that if a community sought to raise an objection on the issuing of a right, they could do so through the above structure. While there were arguments as to the efficacy of the structure, the Minister did point out there were areas which still needed to be strengthened moving forward. Communities should not need to spend large amounts of money challenging issuing of licences but should be able to do so through structures created in law – the strengthening of these structures was then key.
Minister Zwane said there were also challenges with communities being used by big companies – the Department would strengthen its own mechanisms for community engagement to ensure concerns raised were genuinely from communities because sometimes companies were behind the communities.
Chairperson Prins knew that the people out there were very creative – each time government brought a policy, people were creative in how to “hijack” those policies for their benefit. This was why Members of Parliament should also play the role of watchdog to monitor and conduct oversight in terms of implementation. Companies guilty of fronting needed to appear before the Committee to be held accountable for what they did to government and using people through fronting.
Mr Duba wanted to know what mechanism the Department put in place to ensure there was sufficient consultation. Lately one had seen that transformation could be delayed through the courts – mechanisms for transparency were needed to limit the temptation of trying to run Departments through courts.
Chairperson Prins said the Committee could also ask for the list of applications and the names of the companies’ licences were issued to ensure the process was fair and transparent.
Minister Zwane appreciated the time and engagement with the Committee – he looked forward to working with Members in the future.
Chairperson Prins thanked the Department for a very informative presentation. The Committee now needed to work with the provinces to ensure proper consultation was done with the affected role players. Even though there were no minerals in the Western Cape, there were other minerals like sand and stones – she hoped the Bill would pay attention to this to allow people to come into those industries. The Committee was serious about calling companies to account to ensure legislation was taken seriously and ensure there was proper oversight so that people did not think they could just do as they pleased.
Other Committee Business
The Committee did not have a quorum to consider the other items on the agenda - Chairperson Prins said that it would have to be deferred.
The meeting was adjourned.